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Post by c310pilot on Aug 31, 2008 14:07:01 GMT 1
Speaking of line sites, what would you place the value of one of these and the Vickers site at? More importantly, is there anyone who would like to trade a Bren line site for a Vickers line site?
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Post by nigelthomas on Aug 31, 2008 18:39:36 GMT 1
Rod: Bear in mind that the Vickers FL sight collimator is zeroed for azimuth at 30 yds onto a thick line drawn parallel to, and 3.4" to the left of the MPI. There are no instructions for zeroing the collimator in the vertical plane as the dial sight is checked for elevation using its spirit level bubble in conjunction with a Vickers clinometer placed on the top of the sideplates.
Thanks for checking with the Bren, maybe there was a similar requirement for aim x" to the left at 30 Yds? Hence the original question.
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Post by woodsy on Sept 1, 2008 0:06:32 GMT 1
First day of spring and a beautiful sunny morning! ;D I made a strip target with the thick line 3.4" left of centre and set it up at 30 yards. Set up the Vickers and locked the zero flap into the horns, lo and behold! it was spot on on for azimuth. Curiosity having now got the better of me, I set up the Bren on the tripod and it too was spot on for azimuth (after having previously zeroed the FLS at 400 yards). The question now remains: coincidence or planning? I suspect planning, but can see (like Kevin) no valid reason for it. In the absence of some documentary evidence, this question will probably remain unsolved. We have, at least, proved the existence of a similar zeroing facility between the two types of sight. The Bren FLS is offset 2.5" to the left of the centre line of the bore, and the Vickers Dial Sight is offset 3.5" to the left. If the coincidence is planned then some cunning thinking went into the whole set-up. We now need some Instructions for Armourers of the 1938 - 40 period!
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Post by woodsy on Sept 1, 2008 0:11:06 GMT 1
I would suspect that the value of a complete Bren FLS would be about 1500-2000 Pounds Sterling, compared to the Vickers Dial Sight at about 250-350 Pounds. Any other thoughts on this out there?
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Post by Richard Fisher on Sept 1, 2008 17:24:27 GMT 1
I would suspect that the value of a complete Bren FLS would be about 1500-2000 Pounds Sterling, compared to the Vickers Dial Sight at about 250-350 Pounds. Any other thoughts on this out there? Sadly it seems to be a little more for the Vickers sight at the moment but it is certainly in that region. Bren FLS is definitely far higher than this; purely on a supply / demand basis. Lots of Brens: Few sights; whereas Lots of Vickers: Lots of Sights. Richard |
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Post by Kev on Sept 1, 2008 23:25:57 GMT 1
FLS prices ....cheapest I have heard of was £8 at an indoor boot fair,most expensive £3,000 + but can't verify either.
At the end of the day if you want a Vickers dial sight you only have to make a phone call,if you want a Bren FLS you have to be very lucky or wait for one to come up for sale and hope you aren't going to have to sell a kidney to pay for it ;D
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Post by lebel on Jun 16, 2009 22:34:52 GMT 1
Ok I will study this in greater depth when i have more time, but so far this is flying right over my head......!!
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Post by lebel on Jun 17, 2009 15:57:11 GMT 1
I have re-read this.
While the concept of (while not the actual practice of) the Vickers IDF sight is some thing I can get my head around....The FLS on the other hand seems to be a highly sought after item of kit with no actual practical application, due to its lack of degree markings.
I am still at a loss to understand why such an item was required in the first place.
I have positive proof that they were used in May/June 1940 in the field but again struggle to understand exactly how and to what end.
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Post by Kev on Jun 18, 2009 23:41:26 GMT 1
lebel, I hope this will help ?    I have positive proof that they were used in May/June 1940 in the field ........... Could you give some details please ? ATB Kevin |
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