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Post by alburg on Dec 29, 2005 22:26:45 GMT 1
Hi guys,
how are you doing.
Now after Dunkirk the British lost a lot of Brens and the Germans captured them. The Germans called the Bren 7.7mm Maschinengewehr 138(e) then. Now my question is would the Germans have stamped that on the Bren or would you find any Waffenamt stamps on a captured Bren? An other interesting thing is that I have seen a picture with a Bren mounted to an MG34 AA-tripod, how does the connector look like??
Thanks for your help
Cheers Sven
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Post by Tim on Dec 29, 2005 23:32:28 GMT 1
Hi Sven,
Indeed they did use captured weapons and as you have stated they had already decided on designations
should they capture a type in quantity.
I have seen pictures of brens being used in the french ports and harbours post dunkirk ,but they were on the the bren Mk1 tripod set up in AA mode.
Also of course the famous photographs of the brens being used against the parachute drops in the Arnhiem area.
As for waffen ampt it is said that thier are one or two in museums on the continent with waffen , i doubt that the complete designation would be put on it .
Wa Pruf 2/ II was the ordinance body responsible for machineguns but i do not know if they dealt with captures.
I do know that thier were orders that weapons in bulk
were to be passed down the line to be processed .HOW they were processed i do not know.
If you do find out any waffen numbers that are on captured brens let me know as this of interest to me , i
would like one for the collection but dont want to get caught out with fake stuff .
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Post by Kev on Dec 30, 2005 0:36:32 GMT 1
Hey you two , how about sharing some of these pictures ! ;D
..............please ?
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Post by tom on Dec 30, 2005 4:17:54 GMT 1
Hay Kevin
way back when I had pics of a couple of ex German used Brens which I had gophered for PL, did I forward them onto you as they are currently trapped on the drive herself has pulled for recovery after I, well, refomatted it?
Does anyone have a copy of the German manual? Theres also one the Japenese did I'd really like to see scans of. I believe the Aussie War Memorial has a copy should anyone have a foot in the door there?
ATB
Tom
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Post by Kev on Dec 30, 2005 12:29:19 GMT 1
Dear Bear, not to say you didn't but I have no record of it........but there again I can't find stuff I filed yesterday.
Could you forward when T has recovered the hard drive ?
Most of the images of German use of the Bren I have pilfered from Ebay ;D
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Post by Tim on Dec 30, 2005 14:39:34 GMT 1
Hi guys , Love to share the pics but the dockside one is in someone elses book and i cant even remember the name of it , german in foreground with bren on AA mount and brit 40mm bofors on the extreme end of the jetty , also crew is german.. As for the arnhiem shots , get a copy of " it never snows in september" lots of pics of the germans grabbing just about everything and using it , even has shots of the troops " shopping " from the airdrop canisters in the woods .  |
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Post by Kev on Dec 30, 2005 15:52:10 GMT 1
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Post by tom on Dec 30, 2005 15:59:16 GMT 1
Kev,
don't forget to check the pics of the containers for any of those Mk 2* tripods we presented the Huns with...
If you buy it that is...
ATB
Tom
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Post by Kev on Dec 30, 2005 16:31:51 GMT 1
Good thinking Tom  I will probably have a scout round and see if there is a hard back copy thats going cheap latter on. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 30, 2005 22:50:34 GMT 1
Re The book ,
Very good and well written, author was a serving para based in germany and contacted as many ex
wermacht and ss personell as he could thro the veteran associations when he was out thier .
He got a very good look at how it was on the german side , when you read it you will not believe just how close it was .
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Post by alburg on Jan 1, 2006 19:20:57 GMT 1
.jpg) (Captured Bren mounted to a Dreifuss34 AA tripod for MG34) Out of the book:"Small arms, artillery and special weapons of the third reich". Cheers Sven |
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Post by Kev on Jan 1, 2006 19:57:56 GMT 1
Cheers Sven  I see the bipod legs have also been removed from the Bren. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 3, 2006 22:41:52 GMT 1
Hi Sven,
Interesting pic of the bren on the german AA mount ,
The gun has obviously retained the early style barrel and even has the Butt AA handle atatched.
Would you happen to know if the photo caption includes any date when it was taken.
I would imagine that it also has a special bracket made to conform to the original bren mounting point .
The AA tripod looks to have the normal MG 34 head fitted , would you agree ?
Do you know wich department was responsible for the checking and issue of captured weapons? Was it one department or would machineguns go through the machinegun authority and things like the Bofors AA gun through the artillery or flak department ?
regards
Tim
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Post by Tim on Jan 3, 2006 23:24:56 GMT 1
Kev,
Check out the bracket on the bren in Svens photo , it would be a piece of cake to make one up !
I also thought the rear sight apature seemed to be leaning back a la ZGB but that cant be as it has the AA handle fitted to the butt and the ZGB has a different fitting .
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Post by Kev on Jan 4, 2006 1:19:14 GMT 1
Pics of captured Mk5 Sten and Bren gun courtesey of Tim   The tripod adaptation had probably allready been done earlier as on this pic of a ZB lmg  in comparison to Svens pic As for the ZGB looking sight I thought the same thing but cant sharpen the image enough using photo shop. It is quite possible though as page 121 of the revised BGS shows a ZGB sight having been fitted to a Bren |
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I will probably have a scout round and see if there is a hard back copy thats going cheap latter on.