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Post by privatefjordy on Mar 24, 2006 2:49:48 GMT 1
There's quite a bit of shine on the handles in the photo of the stacked Chinese boxes, looks to me like they might be leather?
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Post by Kev on Mar 24, 2006 20:14:52 GMT 1
Unfortunatly this is the only picture I have found of the boxes.I have tried enlarging the image but it doesn't help (not with my eyes anyway !)  Was leather used for any other type of Canadian box handle  (I haven't got a clue !) Can anyone else throw any light on the subject ? |
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Post by story on Mar 28, 2006 18:15:20 GMT 1
How rare are Mk1* barrels in 7.92mm?
Most of the Canadian 8mm Bren photos I've seen show them fitted with Mk2 barrels.
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Post by britplumber on Mar 28, 2006 18:25:34 GMT 1
I dont they were ever a production run, its possible that a mk2 barrel could have been retro fitted with a mk1*sleave. Otherwise I would think its a conversion.
This is where I'm proven wrong!!
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Post by Kev on Mar 28, 2006 19:14:32 GMT 1
I cant help thinking all the North American MKI 7.92 barrels are conversions.Why would Inglis go back to producing MKI barrels (even in .303) when production of them has long ceased ? I'm pretty sure some of these 'converted' barrels are Enfield marked which makes me even more sceptical. A couple of pics of Inlglis 7.92's in the factory -   |
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Post by britplumber on Mar 28, 2006 20:38:49 GMT 1
If you look carefully at the bottom picture of Kev's collection, you can actualy see Kev checking a serial number for me!!!!
It was 0T3625 Kev, not 0T6325. Start again, this time check them properly!!
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Post by britplumber on Mar 28, 2006 20:40:17 GMT 1
On a more serious note, Did the Inglis mk2 Barrels have mk1 carry handles? Or were they used untill the mk1 stock had run out??
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Post by Kev on Mar 28, 2006 21:43:14 GMT 1
LOL , I wish ;D
MkI handles AFAIK
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Post by story on Mar 31, 2006 16:43:09 GMT 1
I dont they were ever a production run, its possible that a mk2 barrel could have been retro fitted with a mk1*sleave. Otherwise I would think its a conversion. This is where I'm proven wrong!! Could be. How does one tell if a Bren barrel has been sleeved? 'cause I'll give you a heads up, I'm holding a 7.92 Mk1* barrel.  |
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Post by britplumber on Mar 31, 2006 17:35:04 GMT 1
Can you post a pic? Can you tell who's make it is??
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Post by Kev on Mar 31, 2006 17:44:45 GMT 1
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Post by story on Apr 6, 2006 4:22:35 GMT 1
Kev,
Check the Bren Yahoogroups, the photo is posted in the misc. folder. It's got no protrusions and is marked 7.91 - the round fits perfectly.
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Post by Kev on Apr 6, 2006 21:10:31 GMT 1
Hi story, I have checked out the Yahoo forum and hope that you don't mind that I have pasted the pictures of your barrel below (with my text additions) -  The protrusions or feed guides on the barrel face that are pointed out are normaly associated with rimmed .303 rounds in factory produced barrels. The barrel face for rimmless cartridges on ZB's / Brens have a flat face with a chamfer lead into the barrel bore and a slot underneath for the extractor to pick up the cartridge as per the pic below -  |
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Post by story on Apr 7, 2006 4:29:50 GMT 1
So what do you think that means?
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Post by Kev on Apr 7, 2006 18:42:52 GMT 1
I would tend to think that these barrels marked 7.91 have been re-chambered from old 303 barrels. Although the feed guides would not stop a rimless round chambering there is no need for it as a rimless round will feed centrally.A rimmed round will alter its angle of feed as it is being striped from the magazine and the guides were introduced on the ZGB30 to stop the bullet head striking the barrel face as the cartridges were being fed from alternate sides. Rimless barrel face design reverted to a flat face on factory produced barrels for rimless rounds for 7.92x57 and latter 7.62x54 NATO. I would have thought Enfield would design the barrel face to suit the ammunition not just rechamber it if it had been a factory barrel ? Your barrel serial number (Z 2269)shows it to be off of a 43 dated Bren gun of Enfield manufacture.I know Z 2114 and Z 2349 are 303 guns which would also not indicate a factory 7.92 barrel.Such a small production run of guns would be extremely prohibitive.(and unknown) As to who re chambered them and why I haven't got a clue A more interesting question is who has got the receivers that went with the barrels ? They also would have had to have been modified to fire 7.92x57 .........or has someone just re-chambered a load of barrels ? Why are they marked as 7.91 ? (had they lost the number 2 number stamp ;D) Anyone else any thoughts on this ? |
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