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Post by iocbloke on Feb 24, 2006 23:10:42 GMT 1
 Hi gentlemen, new to this forum but unable to resist joining if only to say what a laugh this bren optical sight is! Ha Ha! Amazing what you can do with an old .22 rifle 'scope, a pair of old sporting ring mounts, a hacksaw blade, and a bit of scap metal. Just so long as no one takes it seriously.......  Seriously though, i would truly value any info on the real Bren optical 'line of sight' sight; am given to understand something like 700 made, none issued for service, and only single figure quantity still in existence? 
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Post by tom on Feb 25, 2006 0:23:12 GMT 1
Well, put it this way it ain't much like any of
DD(E) 2326 09/09/1939 Telescopic Sight for Bren (Pattern 1918, Watson & Weaver Telescope)
DD(E) 2444 20/03/1940 Telescope detachable Applied to Gun machine bren .303 inch Mark I (not mentioned in BGS for some reason)
DD(E) 2514 13/05/1940 Bracket Telescope Bren .303 in MG Mk I For No, 32 Mk I telescope (also not mentioned)
DD(E) SK 316 Telescopic sighting for application to Bren .303 MG Mk I or No. 4 Mk I Rifle
which were designed for the Bren. The bracket itself could be for something but I can't think what.
What I'd like to see is the sight extensions for the 100rd mags. As well as the DD(E)s (OK they don't mean something was actually made) theres a instructional print for fitting the suckers and theres also a LoC refererance for them, C 2026, intro in Aug 1944, made obsolete in Aug 1945, with versions for the dial ( No I Mk I ) and leaf rear ( No 2 Mk I) sighted guns. If anyones interested in these I'll start a proper thread on them with some pics.
ATB
Tom
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Post by Kev on Feb 25, 2006 0:56:38 GMT 1
iocbloke , I take it you are refering to the Fixed Line Sight as you mention the 700 production run figure ? Just to get you going Tom ;D  .jpg) |
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Post by tom on Feb 25, 2006 1:18:23 GMT 1
Ok, clever, fancy cropping the pics of the various extensions and adding those? ;-{D)
Eeee!, he's stolen me thunder!
ATB
Tom
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Post by Kev on Feb 25, 2006 1:52:52 GMT 1
Not stolen......only borrowed  Some times I have to plagiarize the stuff you send me to show you I do actually read it all  |
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Post by Kev on Feb 25, 2006 2:23:21 GMT 1
Tom you do realise we are never going to get a sniff of these if they ever turn up now ?  MkI version -  Mk2 version -   |
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Post by iocbloke on Feb 25, 2006 16:34:13 GMT 1
Fascinating stuff; may have seen something similar to rearsight arrangement before, amongst lot of scrap smle long range sights...
Sorry re confusion - meant the sight to fit dovetail, similar in style to that fitted to vickers and mortars (and others); almost certain that the dovetail fitting is standard in each case, just the sight arrangements differ as per role. The Bren sight is comparartively basic - appreciate that the origin may have been via ZB, but bear in mind the influence also of Japanese models 6.5mm etc.
For my sins, have a ww2 daimler scout car whose sole function is to carry my bren; does anyone have any photos/info on mounting single/twin K guns or drum magged brens late ww2 in north west europe?
Regret no saddlery myself, but local rumour of a batch of pack saddles in this neck of the woods has existed for some years -will check it out.
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Post by Kev on Feb 25, 2006 21:59:13 GMT 1
Pic of FLS for dovetail -   Slightly more than single figures exist,I know of 14 to date. No known telescopic sight mounts (proper ones !) for the Bren that utillise the dovetail bracket are known to exist though  |
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Post by iocbloke on Mar 1, 2006 0:36:21 GMT 1
Thanks: am lucky enough to have same item, so make that 15!. will have to dig it out of store to check make + s/n. Do i gather correctly that sight was carried in a p37 webbing bino pouch; if so where carried on crew? kept in transit box? never issued for service? what markings am i looking for? Cheers.
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Post by Kev on Mar 1, 2006 1:28:28 GMT 1
iocbloke,sight should be made by Plessey.Serial number should be on the top of the dovetail.   Any chance you could pass on serial number of yours for my records ? P37 bino case would be correct,but not stowed in transit box.  Although it's well documentated in its use in training manuals and ammendments any evidence of it in service is ellusive.Anyone shed any light or pics of it in use ? |
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Post by tom on Mar 1, 2006 13:09:08 GMT 1
Hi Kev
could you post the bit of the drawing showing how it was hung on thoses two strings. Was there a LoC or ACI about them as well. Minds all fuzzy today from actually getting to sleep at a decent hour so it's all beyond me...
ATB
Tom
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Post by Kev on Mar 1, 2006 23:01:35 GMT 1
 ......and I haven't got a clue why the design has it hanging outside when it fits perfectly well inside either ;D |
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Post by pongo on Mar 2, 2006 22:14:50 GMT 1
Does anyone know anything about Bren's being used with a scope mount in the 1950's,just a friend was talking to someone at a vehicle show who said his father used a Bren fitted with a scope whilst serving with the SBS in Hong Kong during the mid 1950's.has anyone else heard about Bren scope mounts being played about with this late?
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Post by Kev on Mar 3, 2006 2:29:52 GMT 1
Sounds a bit like an 'urban myth' The only recognised sanctioning of scopes on Brens would have been the trial version of the 32 scope allready mentioned by Tom. Then its a big leap to the L4A8/L4A9 incorporating the GPMG / LMG night / AA sight bracket.  Pic from Tom while at the PR |
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Post by pongo on Mar 3, 2006 2:48:57 GMT 1
I just thought i would mention it because I had not heard anything mentioned about it before.As soon as SAS or SBS is mentioned it always make me dubious about this type of story. I'm just passing on what a friend told me
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